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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://sundayresources.net/neil/2009/06/27/facebook-the-facts-why-your-church-should-be-on-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-2637</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jul 2011 22:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Connie Wallace</title>
		<link>http://sundayresources.net/neil/2009/06/27/facebook-the-facts-why-your-church-should-be-on-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-2636</link>
		<dc:creator>Connie Wallace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jul 2011 23:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I set up a FB account for my church, is there a charge. My husband is the Pastor. Please advise. Thank you  Connie Wallace</description>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://sundayresources.net/neil/2009/06/27/facebook-the-facts-why-your-church-should-be-on-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-2174</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point, Neil. I have come across church members who are intimidated by Facebook. And recently talked to one who &quot;doesn&#039;t like what she sees&quot; on Facebook. (Unfortunately, that means she may be missing some great photos of her granddaughter!) 

Facebook is being widely accepted. A few weeks ago I was standing in a store and overheard a man saying this on his cell phone: &quot;I&#039;m sorry to hear about what&#039;s going on with your mother! Tell me about it.&quot; Facebook allows us to become LESS isolated rather than more, as sociologists have predicted. Whatever that man saw on Facebook prompted a one-on-one conversation that probably would not have happened. 

Mark Zuckerberg intends for Facebook to become THE way many people interface with the web. It&#039;s not there yet, and may not. But people have dismissed Zuckerberg&#039;s dreams before, and his competitors have been caught by surprise. 

With regards to churches specifically, today I have an excellent argument for churches to use Facebook as an additional tool. Today is the 30th birthday for a young woman in our church. She moved from out of state a year ago. It&#039;s not noon yet here, and she already has 32 birthday greetings. Not all the greetings are from church members, but without Facebook she may not have heard from any of those who are. 

Another member joined less than 2 months ago. She lives down my street, but I had never met her or her family. She&#039;s not in my Bible study group. I&#039;ve had a total of 2 conversations with her. But I know her birthday is 2 weeks away, and can connect with her on Facebook OR in person. That family was already on Facebook. After meeting them, I searched for them, connected with them, and they have accepted all of my friend recommendations.

Facebook has given churches a tool that very few churches could have afforded to build on their own. And if they did, it would be insular, and not offer ANY outreach opportunities. What unchurched person would subscribe to a church&#039;s newsletter or join a church&#039;s social network?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point, Neil. I have come across church members who are intimidated by Facebook. And recently talked to one who &#8220;doesn&#8217;t like what she sees&#8221; on Facebook. (Unfortunately, that means she may be missing some great photos of her granddaughter!) </p>
<p>Facebook is being widely accepted. A few weeks ago I was standing in a store and overheard a man saying this on his cell phone: &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry to hear about what&#8217;s going on with your mother! Tell me about it.&#8221; Facebook allows us to become LESS isolated rather than more, as sociologists have predicted. Whatever that man saw on Facebook prompted a one-on-one conversation that probably would not have happened. </p>
<p>Mark Zuckerberg intends for Facebook to become THE way many people interface with the web. It&#8217;s not there yet, and may not. But people have dismissed Zuckerberg&#8217;s dreams before, and his competitors have been caught by surprise. </p>
<p>With regards to churches specifically, today I have an excellent argument for churches to use Facebook as an additional tool. Today is the 30th birthday for a young woman in our church. She moved from out of state a year ago. It&#8217;s not noon yet here, and she already has 32 birthday greetings. Not all the greetings are from church members, but without Facebook she may not have heard from any of those who are. </p>
<p>Another member joined less than 2 months ago. She lives down my street, but I had never met her or her family. She&#8217;s not in my Bible study group. I&#8217;ve had a total of 2 conversations with her. But I know her birthday is 2 weeks away, and can connect with her on Facebook OR in person. That family was already on Facebook. After meeting them, I searched for them, connected with them, and they have accepted all of my friend recommendations.</p>
<p>Facebook has given churches a tool that very few churches could have afforded to build on their own. And if they did, it would be insular, and not offer ANY outreach opportunities. What unchurched person would subscribe to a church&#8217;s newsletter or join a church&#8217;s social network?</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://sundayresources.net/neil/2009/06/27/facebook-the-facts-why-your-church-should-be-on-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-2172</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 12:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Bonnie, and don&#039;t apologize for good info!  As you note, FB is changing all the time, in large part due to the way people and organizations are using it. I like that about FB...they are responsive. 

It should be said that FB should not be a replacement for a good church website. Please see my article on building a really nice one that&#039;s easy to manage and update. www.sundaysoftware.com/wordpress.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bonnie, and don&#8217;t apologize for good info!  As you note, FB is changing all the time, in large part due to the way people and organizations are using it. I like that about FB&#8230;they are responsive. </p>
<p>It should be said that FB should not be a replacement for a good church website. Please see my article on building a really nice one that&#8217;s easy to manage and update. <a href="http://www.sundaysoftware.com/wordpress.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sundaysoftware.com/wordpress.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 05:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post and discussion, Neil. If I may offer some clarifications...

A personal account (or user profile) is for individuals and individuals only. FB members FRIEND (or unfriend) other FB members. If FB discovers that a personal account is being solely used for an organization, FB will probably close the account, perhaps without notice. 

Example: There are currently 18 people on FB under the name &quot;Travis Cottrell&quot;, and one is the personal page of the musician. I am not one of his friends, so I can only see limited information.

Facebook offers Business accounts for organizations that want to create a FB presence without establishing an individual account. 

FB Groups are UNOFFICIAL groups of people. It could be a fan club - literally a group of fans of a celebrity or organization. FB members JOIN a group. There is one group called &quot;Travis Cottrell Fans&quot;. They have more than 300 members who post announcements about his appearances. The administrator isn&#039;t doing much posting.

A group can be Open (anyone can join), Closed (admins must approve a request to join), or Secret (membership by invitation only and the group will not show up under a search).

FB Pages are for an organization&#039;s OFFICIAL Facebook presence. FB members become FANS of pages. There is one page named &quot;Travis Cottrell&quot;. He currently has more than 6,000 fans. Anyone can see the information here, but because I&#039;m a fan,  announcements posted by the page administrator appear on my wall.

Anyone can become a fan of a page, but the administrator controls whether fans can post anything or everything, and of course can delete anything objectionable.

From the FB Help Center: &quot;Groups and Pages serve different purposes on Facebook. Groups are meant to foster group discussion around a particular topic area while Pages allow entities such as public figures and organizations to broadcast information to their fans. Only the authorized representative of the entity can run a Page&quot;.

You can have multiple pages - perhaps one for Students, another for your Women&#039;s ministry, etc. and authorize a church member, for instance, to administer the page.

I do not have experience with Business accounts, but according to FB help, these accounts have limited functionality. &quot;An individual with a business account can view all the Pages and Social Ads that they have created, however they will not be able to view the profiles of users on the site or other content on the site that does not live on the Pages they administer. In addition, business accounts cannot be found in search and cannot send or receive friend requests&quot;. 

Cass, it sounds like that may be what you want to set up so you can then log out and log back in as yourself. You are right - when you are logged in as the person designated as the administrator of a page, your posts to that page will show the photo and name of the page. In my case, that&#039;s what I want. We have a large church, and many people do not know me. When I&#039;m posting an announcement to the page, I want it seen as an official announcement.

There has been a lot of confusion about this. I&#039;m actually trying to straighten it out with our own church&#039;s FB presence, which was set up as a group but should be a page. FB does not seem to be aggressively targeting groups that should be pages, but I have heard that they will take down any personal account that should have been business, or should really be a page.

Hope this helps. Pay attention to FB announcements about changes. As they have seen how people were using FB, they have made changes. But as of 4/12/2010, these are the current rules.

Sorry this is so long, but it sounds like there may be some confusion about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and discussion, Neil. If I may offer some clarifications&#8230;</p>
<p>A personal account (or user profile) is for individuals and individuals only. FB members FRIEND (or unfriend) other FB members. If FB discovers that a personal account is being solely used for an organization, FB will probably close the account, perhaps without notice. </p>
<p>Example: There are currently 18 people on FB under the name &#8220;Travis Cottrell&#8221;, and one is the personal page of the musician. I am not one of his friends, so I can only see limited information.</p>
<p>Facebook offers Business accounts for organizations that want to create a FB presence without establishing an individual account. </p>
<p>FB Groups are UNOFFICIAL groups of people. It could be a fan club &#8211; literally a group of fans of a celebrity or organization. FB members JOIN a group. There is one group called &#8220;Travis Cottrell Fans&#8221;. They have more than 300 members who post announcements about his appearances. The administrator isn&#8217;t doing much posting.</p>
<p>A group can be Open (anyone can join), Closed (admins must approve a request to join), or Secret (membership by invitation only and the group will not show up under a search).</p>
<p>FB Pages are for an organization&#8217;s OFFICIAL Facebook presence. FB members become FANS of pages. There is one page named &#8220;Travis Cottrell&#8221;. He currently has more than 6,000 fans. Anyone can see the information here, but because I&#8217;m a fan,  announcements posted by the page administrator appear on my wall.</p>
<p>Anyone can become a fan of a page, but the administrator controls whether fans can post anything or everything, and of course can delete anything objectionable.</p>
<p>From the FB Help Center: &#8220;Groups and Pages serve different purposes on Facebook. Groups are meant to foster group discussion around a particular topic area while Pages allow entities such as public figures and organizations to broadcast information to their fans. Only the authorized representative of the entity can run a Page&#8221;.</p>
<p>You can have multiple pages &#8211; perhaps one for Students, another for your Women&#8217;s ministry, etc. and authorize a church member, for instance, to administer the page.</p>
<p>I do not have experience with Business accounts, but according to FB help, these accounts have limited functionality. &#8220;An individual with a business account can view all the Pages and Social Ads that they have created, however they will not be able to view the profiles of users on the site or other content on the site that does not live on the Pages they administer. In addition, business accounts cannot be found in search and cannot send or receive friend requests&#8221;. </p>
<p>Cass, it sounds like that may be what you want to set up so you can then log out and log back in as yourself. You are right &#8211; when you are logged in as the person designated as the administrator of a page, your posts to that page will show the photo and name of the page. In my case, that&#8217;s what I want. We have a large church, and many people do not know me. When I&#8217;m posting an announcement to the page, I want it seen as an official announcement.</p>
<p>There has been a lot of confusion about this. I&#8217;m actually trying to straighten it out with our own church&#8217;s FB presence, which was set up as a group but should be a page. FB does not seem to be aggressively targeting groups that should be pages, but I have heard that they will take down any personal account that should have been business, or should really be a page.</p>
<p>Hope this helps. Pay attention to FB announcements about changes. As they have seen how people were using FB, they have made changes. But as of 4/12/2010, these are the current rules.</p>
<p>Sorry this is so long, but it sounds like there may be some confusion about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
		<link>http://sundayresources.net/neil/2009/06/27/facebook-the-facts-why-your-church-should-be-on-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-2025</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Cass,
You&#039;re right, a Facebook &quot;page&quot; is not a replacement for a real website. But it DOES let other members connect with each other as &#039;friends&#039; through your church page, as well as, get notifications. That&#039;s the biggest advantage of creating a &quot;group&quot; in Facebook for your members, or creating a facebook page for your church.  

re: limits on info... Facebook continues to evolve and they have caught on to the desire for organizations to create groups and pages.


re: &quot;cannot post comments myself&quot; ... you need to log-out and log-back-in under your own name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cass,<br />
You&#8217;re right, a Facebook &#8220;page&#8221; is not a replacement for a real website. But it DOES let other members connect with each other as &#8216;friends&#8217; through your church page, as well as, get notifications. That&#8217;s the biggest advantage of creating a &#8220;group&#8221; in Facebook for your members, or creating a facebook page for your church.  </p>
<p>re: limits on info&#8230; Facebook continues to evolve and they have caught on to the desire for organizations to create groups and pages.</p>
<p>re: &#8220;cannot post comments myself&#8221; &#8230; you need to log-out and log-back-in under your own name.</p>
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		<title>By: Cass P</title>
		<link>http://sundayresources.net/neil/2009/06/27/facebook-the-facts-why-your-church-should-be-on-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-2022</link>
		<dc:creator>Cass P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I chose to create a &quot;page&quot; for our church which pretty much let&#039;s me make posts and receive replies.  What I don&#039;t like is the lack of information I can permanently put on the profile.  Also, I cannot comment on any posts as myself because I show up as the church.

should I go back and set up a regular profile?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I chose to create a &#8220;page&#8221; for our church which pretty much let&#8217;s me make posts and receive replies.  What I don&#8217;t like is the lack of information I can permanently put on the profile.  Also, I cannot comment on any posts as myself because I show up as the church.</p>
<p>should I go back and set up a regular profile?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Threlfall</title>
		<link>http://sundayresources.net/neil/2009/06/27/facebook-the-facts-why-your-church-should-be-on-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-1947</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Threlfall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post regarding Facebook. Your church may also consider putting a Facebook &quot;Fan Box&quot; on the website. It&#039;s easy. I did it for a site, and it literally took two minutes. It allows site visitors to join, see other fans, network, and gel up the community feel of your website and church congregation. 

Also, my two cents on the ad issue. There are, at times, FB ads which are a bit off-color or at least suggestive. To avoid this problem, I&#039;ve installed add-ons to my Firefox browser that block all ads. Wonderful feature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post regarding Facebook. Your church may also consider putting a Facebook &#8220;Fan Box&#8221; on the website. It&#8217;s easy. I did it for a site, and it literally took two minutes. It allows site visitors to join, see other fans, network, and gel up the community feel of your website and church congregation. </p>
<p>Also, my two cents on the ad issue. There are, at times, FB ads which are a bit off-color or at least suggestive. To avoid this problem, I&#8217;ve installed add-ons to my Firefox browser that block all ads. Wonderful feature.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 15:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tina, your fear would be well-grounded if Facebook had &#039;those&#039; types of ads. Currently it doesn&#039;t, and yet already there is a feature which allows you to report any ad you feel is misleading or offensive. Mostly, it&#039;s completely ad free.  So you seem to be shouting &#039;fire&#039; where there is no fire.  And I see that your church celinabaptistemple.org is on the web, so I don&#039;t understand why you believe people should only network face to face. 

Facebook is smart. They know their service is used by kids and grandparents, people of faith, and across many different cultures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tina, your fear would be well-grounded if Facebook had &#8216;those&#8217; types of ads. Currently it doesn&#8217;t, and yet already there is a feature which allows you to report any ad you feel is misleading or offensive. Mostly, it&#8217;s completely ad free.  So you seem to be shouting &#8216;fire&#8217; where there is no fire.  And I see that your church celinabaptistemple.org is on the web, so I don&#8217;t understand why you believe people should only network face to face. </p>
<p>Facebook is smart. They know their service is used by kids and grandparents, people of faith, and across many different cultures.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are the type of christian that wants to obstain from the appearances of evil, wouldn&#039;t you be offended by the advertisements that Facebook displays. And wouldn&#039;t you want to keep your children from having to see those ads?  Facebook will eventually have to keep running ads to pay for the services it provides. These ads will become more and more immoral, and guess what we christian will do? tolerate it, because its free. We are supposed to guard our minds from wickedness. Waiting to see Facebook make changes for the better, you will be waiting a long time while filling you mind with immoral images. You can avoid this, cancel your facebook account and TALK TO PEOPLE FACE TO FACE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are the type of christian that wants to obstain from the appearances of evil, wouldn&#8217;t you be offended by the advertisements that Facebook displays. And wouldn&#8217;t you want to keep your children from having to see those ads?  Facebook will eventually have to keep running ads to pay for the services it provides. These ads will become more and more immoral, and guess what we christian will do? tolerate it, because its free. We are supposed to guard our minds from wickedness. Waiting to see Facebook make changes for the better, you will be waiting a long time while filling you mind with immoral images. You can avoid this, cancel your facebook account and TALK TO PEOPLE FACE TO FACE.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 17:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Dianne, 
In answer to your concern: Facebook is NOT anonymous. The only people who can leave &quot;comments&quot; on your &quot;wall&quot; (the message area on anyone&#039;s Facebook page) are those who have been &quot;invited&quot; to be your &quot;friend.&quot;  Thus, if someone leaves an inappropriate comment, you and everyone will know who they are. Their comment can be deleted.  And they can also be &quot;UNfriended&quot; (removed) from access to your wall. 

Neil</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dianne,<br />
In answer to your concern: Facebook is NOT anonymous. The only people who can leave &#8220;comments&#8221; on your &#8220;wall&#8221; (the message area on anyone&#8217;s Facebook page) are those who have been &#8220;invited&#8221; to be your &#8220;friend.&#8221;  Thus, if someone leaves an inappropriate comment, you and everyone will know who they are. Their comment can be deleted.  And they can also be &#8220;UNfriended&#8221; (removed) from access to your wall. </p>
<p>Neil</p>
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		<title>By: Dianne Edson</title>
		<link>http://sundayresources.net/neil/2009/06/27/facebook-the-facts-why-your-church-should-be-on-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-1785</link>
		<dc:creator>Dianne Edson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 14:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neil, I agree with you that facebook is a great way to stay in touch with people from church.  It has been especially helpful in relating to teenagers.  As the CE director, I have don&#039;t have the same access to them that the youth director has, but we can follow each other on facebook.

My concern is that some of these teens post inappropriate comments and pictures on facebook.  I try to good naturedly nudge them into the realization that what they put online can come back to haunt them.  But most of them don&#039;t seem to care (youth live in the moment?).

Do you have any experience with this?  If so, how do you handle it?  I truly worry that some of their comments will hurt them in the future.  In fact, one of our teens gets paid to build the powerpoint presentation for the weekend services.  A couple weeks ago, he let loose with an expletive-filled comments on his status that offended even me (24 years on the Navy - it takes a lot to offend me.)  If I were in charge of his employment here, I would have let him go immediately.  I certainly will not recommend any additional responsibilities or increased salary, just based on what I observed in his rant.

Maybe I&#039;m being too sensitive, but I suspect I&#039;m not.  Our &quot;good, Christian&quot; teens make comments about how they&#039;re going to party on Friday night; they disparage their teachers online; they post inappropriate pictures, etc.  If I get too in their face, they will just &quot;unfriend&quot; me.  Any ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neil, I agree with you that facebook is a great way to stay in touch with people from church.  It has been especially helpful in relating to teenagers.  As the CE director, I have don&#8217;t have the same access to them that the youth director has, but we can follow each other on facebook.</p>
<p>My concern is that some of these teens post inappropriate comments and pictures on facebook.  I try to good naturedly nudge them into the realization that what they put online can come back to haunt them.  But most of them don&#8217;t seem to care (youth live in the moment?).</p>
<p>Do you have any experience with this?  If so, how do you handle it?  I truly worry that some of their comments will hurt them in the future.  In fact, one of our teens gets paid to build the powerpoint presentation for the weekend services.  A couple weeks ago, he let loose with an expletive-filled comments on his status that offended even me (24 years on the Navy &#8211; it takes a lot to offend me.)  If I were in charge of his employment here, I would have let him go immediately.  I certainly will not recommend any additional responsibilities or increased salary, just based on what I observed in his rant.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m being too sensitive, but I suspect I&#8217;m not.  Our &#8220;good, Christian&#8221; teens make comments about how they&#8217;re going to party on Friday night; they disparage their teachers online; they post inappropriate pictures, etc.  If I get too in their face, they will just &#8220;unfriend&#8221; me.  Any ideas?</p>
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