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		<title>Comment on Still think Facebook is low-brow? by Neil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 12:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thx LD.  You know the verse about prophet&#039;s in their own hometown....   So maybe quoting some &quot;expert&#039;s&quot; article on the web (or NPR) might help with the High Brows.
;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thx LD.  You know the verse about prophet&#8217;s in their own hometown&#8230;.   So maybe quoting some &#8220;expert&#8217;s&#8221; article on the web (or NPR) might help with the High Brows.<br />
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		<title>Comment on Still think Facebook is low-brow? by ld</title>
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		<dc:creator>ld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Aug 2010 01:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the hearty LOL at the end of your dialogue above.  i hear myself expelling the same sigh at the end of (sadly)  too many church/youth/kid/family/education related exchanges. steady on....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the hearty LOL at the end of your dialogue above.  i hear myself expelling the same sigh at the end of (sadly)  too many church/youth/kid/family/education related exchanges. steady on&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sermon Audio on the Church Website by Bonnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, Neil. I also like the idea about the message and gift. My husband is a former pastor and church planter. Your low-cost recommendation would have been great for a couple of our church starts.

I&#039;ve discovered people are using church websites, specifically the online audio/video, to look for a church. If I just moved into this area, that&#039;s exactly what I would do. I want to know if the pastor preaches sermons that are biblically based. And one of my criteria has always been the choir - if they look like they would rather be in a dentist&#039;s chair, I will not return to that church. 

Would I make the decision based on this alone? No. But we would have found our current church home much sooner.

For churches with the resources, I recommend posting some video, even if you can&#039;t do it every week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Neil. I also like the idea about the message and gift. My husband is a former pastor and church planter. Your low-cost recommendation would have been great for a couple of our church starts.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve discovered people are using church websites, specifically the online audio/video, to look for a church. If I just moved into this area, that&#8217;s exactly what I would do. I want to know if the pastor preaches sermons that are biblically based. And one of my criteria has always been the choir &#8211; if they look like they would rather be in a dentist&#8217;s chair, I will not return to that church. </p>
<p>Would I make the decision based on this alone? No. But we would have found our current church home much sooner.</p>
<p>For churches with the resources, I recommend posting some video, even if you can&#8217;t do it every week.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Face(book) the Facts&#8230; why your church should be on Facebook by Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://sundayresources.net/neil/2009/06/27/facebook-the-facts-why-your-church-should-be-on-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-2174</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great point, Neil. I have come across church members who are intimidated by Facebook. And recently talked to one who &quot;doesn&#039;t like what she sees&quot; on Facebook. (Unfortunately, that means she may be missing some great photos of her granddaughter!) 

Facebook is being widely accepted. A few weeks ago I was standing in a store and overheard a man saying this on his cell phone: &quot;I&#039;m sorry to hear about what&#039;s going on with your mother! Tell me about it.&quot; Facebook allows us to become LESS isolated rather than more, as sociologists have predicted. Whatever that man saw on Facebook prompted a one-on-one conversation that probably would not have happened. 

Mark Zuckerberg intends for Facebook to become THE way many people interface with the web. It&#039;s not there yet, and may not. But people have dismissed Zuckerberg&#039;s dreams before, and his competitors have been caught by surprise. 

With regards to churches specifically, today I have an excellent argument for churches to use Facebook as an additional tool. Today is the 30th birthday for a young woman in our church. She moved from out of state a year ago. It&#039;s not noon yet here, and she already has 32 birthday greetings. Not all the greetings are from church members, but without Facebook she may not have heard from any of those who are. 

Another member joined less than 2 months ago. She lives down my street, but I had never met her or her family. She&#039;s not in my Bible study group. I&#039;ve had a total of 2 conversations with her. But I know her birthday is 2 weeks away, and can connect with her on Facebook OR in person. That family was already on Facebook. After meeting them, I searched for them, connected with them, and they have accepted all of my friend recommendations.

Facebook has given churches a tool that very few churches could have afforded to build on their own. And if they did, it would be insular, and not offer ANY outreach opportunities. What unchurched person would subscribe to a church&#039;s newsletter or join a church&#039;s social network?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great point, Neil. I have come across church members who are intimidated by Facebook. And recently talked to one who &#8220;doesn&#8217;t like what she sees&#8221; on Facebook. (Unfortunately, that means she may be missing some great photos of her granddaughter!) </p>
<p>Facebook is being widely accepted. A few weeks ago I was standing in a store and overheard a man saying this on his cell phone: &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry to hear about what&#8217;s going on with your mother! Tell me about it.&#8221; Facebook allows us to become LESS isolated rather than more, as sociologists have predicted. Whatever that man saw on Facebook prompted a one-on-one conversation that probably would not have happened. </p>
<p>Mark Zuckerberg intends for Facebook to become THE way many people interface with the web. It&#8217;s not there yet, and may not. But people have dismissed Zuckerberg&#8217;s dreams before, and his competitors have been caught by surprise. </p>
<p>With regards to churches specifically, today I have an excellent argument for churches to use Facebook as an additional tool. Today is the 30th birthday for a young woman in our church. She moved from out of state a year ago. It&#8217;s not noon yet here, and she already has 32 birthday greetings. Not all the greetings are from church members, but without Facebook she may not have heard from any of those who are. </p>
<p>Another member joined less than 2 months ago. She lives down my street, but I had never met her or her family. She&#8217;s not in my Bible study group. I&#8217;ve had a total of 2 conversations with her. But I know her birthday is 2 weeks away, and can connect with her on Facebook OR in person. That family was already on Facebook. After meeting them, I searched for them, connected with them, and they have accepted all of my friend recommendations.</p>
<p>Facebook has given churches a tool that very few churches could have afforded to build on their own. And if they did, it would be insular, and not offer ANY outreach opportunities. What unchurched person would subscribe to a church&#8217;s newsletter or join a church&#8217;s social network?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Freaknomics: The Hidden Side of Everything by Neil</title>
		<link>http://sundayresources.net/neil/2008/04/24/freaknomics-the-hidden-side-of-everything/comment-page-1/#comment-2173</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 12:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just recently re-read this book, and it&#039;s still a good recommendation.  As I read it, I thought a lot about THE CHURCH, and how we in the Church have created some FALSE ASSUMPTIONS about why things are the way they are.  

For example... The crime rate during the US Recession continued to stay relatively low, against prevailing wisdom.  Barna Research recently noted that giving to churches has not been dramatically affected in certain sizes of churches. Small churches, for example, have done better than expected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just recently re-read this book, and it&#8217;s still a good recommendation.  As I read it, I thought a lot about THE CHURCH, and how we in the Church have created some FALSE ASSUMPTIONS about why things are the way they are.  </p>
<p>For example&#8230; The crime rate during the US Recession continued to stay relatively low, against prevailing wisdom.  Barna Research recently noted that giving to churches has not been dramatically affected in certain sizes of churches. Small churches, for example, have done better than expected.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Face(book) the Facts&#8230; why your church should be on Facebook by Neil</title>
		<link>http://sundayresources.net/neil/2009/06/27/facebook-the-facts-why-your-church-should-be-on-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-2172</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 12:32:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Bonnie, and don&#039;t apologize for good info!  As you note, FB is changing all the time, in large part due to the way people and organizations are using it. I like that about FB...they are responsive. 

It should be said that FB should not be a replacement for a good church website. Please see my article on building a really nice one that&#039;s easy to manage and update. www.sundaysoftware.com/wordpress.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Bonnie, and don&#8217;t apologize for good info!  As you note, FB is changing all the time, in large part due to the way people and organizations are using it. I like that about FB&#8230;they are responsive. </p>
<p>It should be said that FB should not be a replacement for a good church website. Please see my article on building a really nice one that&#8217;s easy to manage and update. <a href="http://www.sundaysoftware.com/wordpress.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.sundaysoftware.com/wordpress.htm</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Your Pastor the &#8220;Twitter&#8221; by Neil</title>
		<link>http://sundayresources.net/neil/2009/03/25/your-pastor-the-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-2171</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 12:27:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Soul,
I would be VERY wary about sharing any personal information via any means, even with the person&#039;s permission. If others think what they tell you might end up in your next twitter, they won&#039;t share with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Soul,<br />
I would be VERY wary about sharing any personal information via any means, even with the person&#8217;s permission. If others think what they tell you might end up in your next twitter, they won&#8217;t share with you.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Your Pastor the &#8220;Twitter&#8221; by Soul Pundi</title>
		<link>http://sundayresources.net/neil/2009/03/25/your-pastor-the-twitter/comment-page-1/#comment-2170</link>
		<dc:creator>Soul Pundi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 11:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question: What are your thoughts on pastors sharing and commenting on the problems that their congregation brings to them anonymously. That is to say discussing, polling and talking about the issues that individuals are going through via Twitter. Does the benefit to the congregation outweigh any confidentiality assumed by the individuals? How does this affect individual counseling? Are the congregants entitled to believe that their situation will remain confidential?  Does the fact that the names are not revealed keep confidentiality intact?

Just curious what your thoughts were?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question: What are your thoughts on pastors sharing and commenting on the problems that their congregation brings to them anonymously. That is to say discussing, polling and talking about the issues that individuals are going through via Twitter. Does the benefit to the congregation outweigh any confidentiality assumed by the individuals? How does this affect individual counseling? Are the congregants entitled to believe that their situation will remain confidential?  Does the fact that the names are not revealed keep confidentiality intact?</p>
<p>Just curious what your thoughts were?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Face(book) the Facts&#8230; why your church should be on Facebook by Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://sundayresources.net/neil/2009/06/27/facebook-the-facts-why-your-church-should-be-on-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-2169</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Apr 2010 05:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post and discussion, Neil. If I may offer some clarifications...

A personal account (or user profile) is for individuals and individuals only. FB members FRIEND (or unfriend) other FB members. If FB discovers that a personal account is being solely used for an organization, FB will probably close the account, perhaps without notice. 

Example: There are currently 18 people on FB under the name &quot;Travis Cottrell&quot;, and one is the personal page of the musician. I am not one of his friends, so I can only see limited information.

Facebook offers Business accounts for organizations that want to create a FB presence without establishing an individual account. 

FB Groups are UNOFFICIAL groups of people. It could be a fan club - literally a group of fans of a celebrity or organization. FB members JOIN a group. There is one group called &quot;Travis Cottrell Fans&quot;. They have more than 300 members who post announcements about his appearances. The administrator isn&#039;t doing much posting.

A group can be Open (anyone can join), Closed (admins must approve a request to join), or Secret (membership by invitation only and the group will not show up under a search).

FB Pages are for an organization&#039;s OFFICIAL Facebook presence. FB members become FANS of pages. There is one page named &quot;Travis Cottrell&quot;. He currently has more than 6,000 fans. Anyone can see the information here, but because I&#039;m a fan,  announcements posted by the page administrator appear on my wall.

Anyone can become a fan of a page, but the administrator controls whether fans can post anything or everything, and of course can delete anything objectionable.

From the FB Help Center: &quot;Groups and Pages serve different purposes on Facebook. Groups are meant to foster group discussion around a particular topic area while Pages allow entities such as public figures and organizations to broadcast information to their fans. Only the authorized representative of the entity can run a Page&quot;.

You can have multiple pages - perhaps one for Students, another for your Women&#039;s ministry, etc. and authorize a church member, for instance, to administer the page.

I do not have experience with Business accounts, but according to FB help, these accounts have limited functionality. &quot;An individual with a business account can view all the Pages and Social Ads that they have created, however they will not be able to view the profiles of users on the site or other content on the site that does not live on the Pages they administer. In addition, business accounts cannot be found in search and cannot send or receive friend requests&quot;. 

Cass, it sounds like that may be what you want to set up so you can then log out and log back in as yourself. You are right - when you are logged in as the person designated as the administrator of a page, your posts to that page will show the photo and name of the page. In my case, that&#039;s what I want. We have a large church, and many people do not know me. When I&#039;m posting an announcement to the page, I want it seen as an official announcement.

There has been a lot of confusion about this. I&#039;m actually trying to straighten it out with our own church&#039;s FB presence, which was set up as a group but should be a page. FB does not seem to be aggressively targeting groups that should be pages, but I have heard that they will take down any personal account that should have been business, or should really be a page.

Hope this helps. Pay attention to FB announcements about changes. As they have seen how people were using FB, they have made changes. But as of 4/12/2010, these are the current rules.

Sorry this is so long, but it sounds like there may be some confusion about this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post and discussion, Neil. If I may offer some clarifications&#8230;</p>
<p>A personal account (or user profile) is for individuals and individuals only. FB members FRIEND (or unfriend) other FB members. If FB discovers that a personal account is being solely used for an organization, FB will probably close the account, perhaps without notice. </p>
<p>Example: There are currently 18 people on FB under the name &#8220;Travis Cottrell&#8221;, and one is the personal page of the musician. I am not one of his friends, so I can only see limited information.</p>
<p>Facebook offers Business accounts for organizations that want to create a FB presence without establishing an individual account. </p>
<p>FB Groups are UNOFFICIAL groups of people. It could be a fan club &#8211; literally a group of fans of a celebrity or organization. FB members JOIN a group. There is one group called &#8220;Travis Cottrell Fans&#8221;. They have more than 300 members who post announcements about his appearances. The administrator isn&#8217;t doing much posting.</p>
<p>A group can be Open (anyone can join), Closed (admins must approve a request to join), or Secret (membership by invitation only and the group will not show up under a search).</p>
<p>FB Pages are for an organization&#8217;s OFFICIAL Facebook presence. FB members become FANS of pages. There is one page named &#8220;Travis Cottrell&#8221;. He currently has more than 6,000 fans. Anyone can see the information here, but because I&#8217;m a fan,  announcements posted by the page administrator appear on my wall.</p>
<p>Anyone can become a fan of a page, but the administrator controls whether fans can post anything or everything, and of course can delete anything objectionable.</p>
<p>From the FB Help Center: &#8220;Groups and Pages serve different purposes on Facebook. Groups are meant to foster group discussion around a particular topic area while Pages allow entities such as public figures and organizations to broadcast information to their fans. Only the authorized representative of the entity can run a Page&#8221;.</p>
<p>You can have multiple pages &#8211; perhaps one for Students, another for your Women&#8217;s ministry, etc. and authorize a church member, for instance, to administer the page.</p>
<p>I do not have experience with Business accounts, but according to FB help, these accounts have limited functionality. &#8220;An individual with a business account can view all the Pages and Social Ads that they have created, however they will not be able to view the profiles of users on the site or other content on the site that does not live on the Pages they administer. In addition, business accounts cannot be found in search and cannot send or receive friend requests&#8221;. </p>
<p>Cass, it sounds like that may be what you want to set up so you can then log out and log back in as yourself. You are right &#8211; when you are logged in as the person designated as the administrator of a page, your posts to that page will show the photo and name of the page. In my case, that&#8217;s what I want. We have a large church, and many people do not know me. When I&#8217;m posting an announcement to the page, I want it seen as an official announcement.</p>
<p>There has been a lot of confusion about this. I&#8217;m actually trying to straighten it out with our own church&#8217;s FB presence, which was set up as a group but should be a page. FB does not seem to be aggressively targeting groups that should be pages, but I have heard that they will take down any personal account that should have been business, or should really be a page.</p>
<p>Hope this helps. Pay attention to FB announcements about changes. As they have seen how people were using FB, they have made changes. But as of 4/12/2010, these are the current rules.</p>
<p>Sorry this is so long, but it sounds like there may be some confusion about this.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Face(book) the Facts&#8230; why your church should be on Facebook by Neil</title>
		<link>http://sundayresources.net/neil/2009/06/27/facebook-the-facts-why-your-church-should-be-on-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-2025</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Mar 2010 12:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Cass,
You&#039;re right, a Facebook &quot;page&quot; is not a replacement for a real website. But it DOES let other members connect with each other as &#039;friends&#039; through your church page, as well as, get notifications. That&#039;s the biggest advantage of creating a &quot;group&quot; in Facebook for your members, or creating a facebook page for your church.  

re: limits on info... Facebook continues to evolve and they have caught on to the desire for organizations to create groups and pages.


re: &quot;cannot post comments myself&quot; ... you need to log-out and log-back-in under your own name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Cass,<br />
You&#8217;re right, a Facebook &#8220;page&#8221; is not a replacement for a real website. But it DOES let other members connect with each other as &#8216;friends&#8217; through your church page, as well as, get notifications. That&#8217;s the biggest advantage of creating a &#8220;group&#8221; in Facebook for your members, or creating a facebook page for your church.  </p>
<p>re: limits on info&#8230; Facebook continues to evolve and they have caught on to the desire for organizations to create groups and pages.</p>
<p>re: &#8220;cannot post comments myself&#8221; &#8230; you need to log-out and log-back-in under your own name.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Face(book) the Facts&#8230; why your church should be on Facebook by Cass P</title>
		<link>http://sundayresources.net/neil/2009/06/27/facebook-the-facts-why-your-church-should-be-on-facebook/comment-page-1/#comment-2022</link>
		<dc:creator>Cass P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 21:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I chose to create a &quot;page&quot; for our church which pretty much let&#039;s me make posts and receive replies.  What I don&#039;t like is the lack of information I can permanently put on the profile.  Also, I cannot comment on any posts as myself because I show up as the church.

should I go back and set up a regular profile?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I chose to create a &#8220;page&#8221; for our church which pretty much let&#8217;s me make posts and receive replies.  What I don&#8217;t like is the lack of information I can permanently put on the profile.  Also, I cannot comment on any posts as myself because I show up as the church.</p>
<p>should I go back and set up a regular profile?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Put Your Church Library (Easily) Online by Kent</title>
		<link>http://sundayresources.net/neil/2009/11/05/put-your-church-library-easily-online/comment-page-1/#comment-2016</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:45:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Roger, I am not sure if this will help, but you can import all your books into Wordpress. I am assuming you can export to a CSV file from your current database. They with some work you can import this CSV into Wordpress.

I found 2 articles that might help you with this task (I have not tried either, so cannot give any guarantees) :

http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/csv-importer/

http://www.zackpreble.com/2008/03/28/importing-posts-from-csv-file-into-wordpress/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Roger, I am not sure if this will help, but you can import all your books into Wordpress. I am assuming you can export to a CSV file from your current database. They with some work you can import this CSV into Wordpress.</p>
<p>I found 2 articles that might help you with this task (I have not tried either, so cannot give any guarantees) :</p>
<p><a href="http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/csv-importer/" rel="nofollow">http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/csv-importer/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.zackpreble.com/2008/03/28/importing-posts-from-csv-file-into-wordpress/" rel="nofollow">http://www.zackpreble.com/2008/03/28/importing-posts-from-csv-file-into-wordpress/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Sermon Audio on the Church Website by Kent</title>
		<link>http://sundayresources.net/neil/2010/01/17/sermon-audio-on-the-church-website/comment-page-1/#comment-2015</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We use the Olympus WS-310M with a lapel. These work really well for us as the speaker / pastor can move about. Always a clear recording and the USB makes it easy to offload.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We use the Olympus WS-310M with a lapel. These work really well for us as the speaker / pastor can move about. Always a clear recording and the USB makes it easy to offload.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Sermon Audio on the Church Website by Kent</title>
		<link>http://sundayresources.net/neil/2010/01/17/sermon-audio-on-the-church-website/comment-page-1/#comment-2014</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 09:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like your idea of a secret message as well. Page clicks alone are not a very accurate measurement.

One could use log files to see if downloads were completed indicating that someone at least downloaded a whole audio file.

Another  thing is we could look at the length people are on a page before they navigate away. This would indicate that they were on the page for quite some time and likely listened to some or all of a podcast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like your idea of a secret message as well. Page clicks alone are not a very accurate measurement.</p>
<p>One could use log files to see if downloads were completed indicating that someone at least downloaded a whole audio file.</p>
<p>Another  thing is we could look at the length people are on a page before they navigate away. This would indicate that they were on the page for quite some time and likely listened to some or all of a podcast.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Building a Good &amp; Lasting Church Website &#8230;a Cautionary Tale by Kent</title>
		<link>http://sundayresources.net/neil/2008/04/25/hack-your-attitude-with-some-cold-refreshing-water/comment-page-1/#comment-2013</link>
		<dc:creator>Kent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 08:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too have learnt the hard way that others may have different ideas to me, which I see quickly after I leave. I am starting to value teaching people how to use web building tools rather than do all the hard work for people / churches. As a volunteer I too want to break away from what I call the &quot;contractor scenario&quot;, or the one volunteer does it all and everyone else has an opinion.

For larger projects I have worked as a team member and really love multiple people having input. Now the lessons I am learning is how do we value working in community and teaching each other, to build something for the church community ... that happens to be something technical like a web site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too have learnt the hard way that others may have different ideas to me, which I see quickly after I leave. I am starting to value teaching people how to use web building tools rather than do all the hard work for people / churches. As a volunteer I too want to break away from what I call the &#8220;contractor scenario&#8221;, or the one volunteer does it all and everyone else has an opinion.</p>
<p>For larger projects I have worked as a team member and really love multiple people having input. Now the lessons I am learning is how do we value working in community and teaching each other, to build something for the church community &#8230; that happens to be something technical like a web site.</p>
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